put the Confederate monuments in the US Capitol behind its outhouse

A Birmingham, Alabama Republican replied on Facebook to yesterday's How can any American, with a straight face before God, claim to be against slavery and white racism and oppose the House of Representatives bill to remove Confederate statues in the US Capitol?, and this and that ensued.

Michael

My family got the US in the early 1900’s so no dog in this fight, but why deny your history? Learn from it.

Elizabeth

Removing statues that glorify does not remove teaching what happened.

Michael

Next you’ll tear down the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial. Leave the monuments alone and understand them in the context of the time they were erected.

Elizabeth

Germany had the good sense to remove the traitorous Nazi symbolism, it's time we show at least as much.

Sloan Bashinsky

Michael, if you really had no dog in this fight, you would not bark about it. When you argue for leaving the Confederate monuments on display in the US Capitol, you glorify those monuments. As for the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial, perhaps fitting would be to chisel boldly on them, “This Founding Father of Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness owned slaves and viewed them as 3/5th human”.

Michael

Sloan, you are commenting all the time and my opinions are as valid as yours. It’s that pesky 1st Amendment…

Studying, understanding and appreciating history is not advocating the evils of slavery. We need the monuments to remind us that a War was fought to end it even though the vast majority of Southern soldiers were not slave owners who fought to preserve States Rights.

Michael

Elizabeth, there are a number of Germans who today deny the Holocaust……just sayin.

Elizabeth

You think Hitler statues would help them believe the atrocities? No. They are the very type to already glorify the Nazi history and are the reason for 2 separate Germanys.

Michael

No, of course not. But denying their history created Holocaust deniers. The German and Japanese soldiers of WWII fought for their countries. Their service was (for the vast majority) honorable, and worthy of remembrance.

Sloan Bashinsky

Michael, The 1st Amendment doesn't exist on Facebook, just ask Mark Zuckerberg, or just ask any lawyer who still has functioning grey matter. Here are photos of your white brothers and sisters in favor of keeping the Confederate monuments in the national capitol.

 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

The Confederacy's National Anthem, "Dixie", was about good old times in the land of cotton are not forgotten. How many white boys and girls in Dixie picked cotton before the Confederates fired on Fort Sumpter? What would happen to the southern economy if there were no black slaves to pick white folks' cotton?

Michael

The South had an economy based on cotton and the North was based on heavy industry/manufacturing. The South had better field commanders or it would have been over in less than 6 months.

America was repulsed by the actions of January 6th. Democrats owned slaves and opposed the Civil Rights Act. Democrats are the party of the KKK. Even though my family had no part in early American history I still find it fascinating. You and I are both descendants of Hebrew slaves and yet I don’t hear you or I seeking reparations from Egypt.

Sloan Bashinsky

You live in a dream world, saying America was repulsed by the actions of January 6. Many Americans were repulsed, some Republicans were repulsed. Look at the Republicans in Congress pretending it never happened, or was caused by Antifa, even as they claim the election was stolen, even as they decline to investigate Jan 6. You tend to drag in extraneous topics. You have lots of company. You are in bed with the party that abandoned Lincoln.

Michael

I’ve stated repeatedly that I’m not a Trumpist. I’m almost a Libertarian. The reason Republicans have a hard time with January 6th is that Republicans don’t riot.

Sloan Bashinsky

So, who rioted at the Republican in Chief’s incitement, who didn’t call for their and Trump’s heads, literally? Republicans, and you, Michael. They are white and they are Nazis. How that does not revolt your Jewish soul astounds me.

Michael

They are being prosecuted for their crimes. I’m not a Trumpist even though I support the policies he championed. Calling freedom loving people of multiple races Nazi’s is not adding credibility to your arguments. Have a nice day.

Sloan Bashinsky

I call white Americans who want the Confederate monuments to remain in the Capitol, Nazis. I call the white Charlottesville pro Confederate flag and monuments protestors, Nazis. I call the white Jan 6 Capitol rioters, Nazis. I call their leader a Nazi. Hitler did wonders for Germany's economy. You are in bed with America's Nazis, when you want to keep the Confederate monuments in the US Capitol, and when you do not call for the heads of the Capitol rioters and their leader and Republican Congressmen who are protecting them and are claiming the election was stolen.

Michael

Overuse of a term reduces its effect. Kinda like calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist. If all you are trying to do is provoke a response, you’ve done that. If you are trying to affect a change, perhaps you should expand your vocabulary.

Tearing down or defacing monuments entrenches opinions and does nothing toward establishing a meaningful dialogue that can lead to constructive and meaningful change.

Sloan Bashinsky

I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a racist. I do call people who defend displaying Confederate monuments in the U.S. Capitol, instead of behind the US Capitol outhouse, Nazis. When you defend their point of view, you are in bed with them.

Do you want the January 6 rioters' leader, Donald Trump, prosecuted along side them? Do you want their Republican defenders in Congress prosecuted along side them?

Michael

Sloan Bashinsky DT didn’t call for violence and prosecutors will not touch that without proof. Congressmen have immunity. Just the way it is.

Sloan Bashinsky

With a straight face before God, you say Trump did not tell his white mob to go to the Capitol and take back their country (the election) and he would be there with them (but he, of course, did not show up)? I know the burden of proof prosecutors face. There is another courtroom that trumps human courtrooms. In that courtroom we all are on trial.

Michael

He called for a peaceful protest. That’s his words, not mine. That’s why he will not be prosecuted. Selective editing by the media, not showing his full remarks. I’m not in any way condoning his, or the mobs actions.

As for God’s Judgment, yes we all will face that. I hope for a God of Justice and Mercy.

Sloan Bashinsky

He told them to be peaceful, and to be strong, and different rules applied, because the election had been stolen and that needed to be righted by Congress then and there, and for them to go there and so forth and so on. Yes, he covered his ass. And, if you really think he did not tell his white mob do whatever is necessary to "stop the steal", then, Michael, you should retire from reality altogether.

Michael 
My reality isn’t about Donald Trump. I’ve gone past him, hoping for a less controversial Republican candidate for 2024. I’d love to see Tim Scott or Rand Paul, among others…

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