When I was doused in the New Age and Eastern Spiritually, I met people who were convinced Evil did not exist, there was no such thing as "the devil". I never believed them, and my own life experiences and angels who captured me proved to me the Devil indeed exists.
A somewhat younger woman, whose grandfather was deeply involved in the life and work of the Eurasian spiritual teacher, G.I. Gurdjieff, sent me a link to this below via Facebook private messenger. I deleted some short reader comments, but it includes all of my lengthy dialogue with a fellow, who seems 100-percent convinced the Devil is a figment of people's religious programming, imagination, etc.
Selected comments:
Matthew Knott "Every religious teaching must be seen as being metaphorical versus literal if the deepest meaning is to be recognized." - Matt Kahn
"Thus LUCIFER -- the spirit of the Intellectual Enlightenment and Freedom of Thought -- is metaphorically the guiding beacon, which helps man to find his way through the rocks and sandbanks of Life, for Lucifer is the LOGOS in his highest, and the 'Adversary' in his lowest aspect -- both of which are reflected in our Ego." - Helena Blavatsky
Maiko Cyneteli No amount of books read and any knowledge, teaching never will help to guide someone, neither group.. Only love, only feeling, interpersonal meaningful individual interaction is the way to real individuation.
Sloan Bashinsky This poem came to me in late 1995:
Love without Truth is blind,
Truth without Love is harsh.
Two sides of the same coin,
They live together,
Or die.
If people were to live in my skin not very long, they would know the Devil indeed exists, and demons exists, just at God and angels of the Lord exist, just as lions and lambs exist, just as people exist, just as fishes and birds and bugs exist, just as trees and plants exist, just at extraterrestrials exist, and the Devil's greatest achievement was deceiving people it did not exist. I grew up in Christianity, but along the way something happened and, starting early 1987, I was taken for a ride by supernatural beings who turned me every which a way but loose and inside out and upside down, and stood me before a mirror a long time, with many refresher courses, and they are still at it. I concluded about Jesus, that to the extent people live and behave as he lived an behaved, they are saved by him, whether they heard of him or not. And, life continues after death without the human body, and there is a life review in the afterlife to the extent it did not happen on Earth, and from that life review the next adventure is decided, either on Earth, or somewhere in some realm.
Matthew Knott Sloan Bashinsky - Thank you for sharing and also for speaking upon your experiences. Consider the following alternative perspectives...
"Every religious teaching must be seen as being metaphorical versus literal if the deepest meaning is to be recognized." - Matt Kahn
The Devil is a metaphorical character, which symbolizes our ego or our inner child in disguise, which at times plays the role of our shadow/dark side. "I must also have a dark side if I am to be whole." - Carl Jung ------ The greatest illusion in this world, is the illusion of separation. It serves its purpose for our experience of growth and evolution as Souls or individuated expressions of Spirit/God. Illusions only control us when we think they're real. In seeing through the illusion of separation, ultimately there is ONLY God. In that sense, ALL is Divinity, no matter the form or disguise.
"Even then, since all things are made of God, even the demons have divine nature once you pierce their disguise." - Shankara
"Darkness is divinity in its most inactive state -- in its most dormant state." - Matt Kahn
"When nothing acts as proof of anything, other than divinity in form, you have outwitted the dream of judgment." - Matt Kahn
"Christ is the true, spiritual, higher self of every individual. Each of us has within him the Christ, just as Jesus had, and we must look within to recognize and realize our sonship, our divine origin and birth, even as he did." - Charles Fillmore (As excerpted from: 'The Metaphysical Bible Dictionary' 1931)
"Notice every Biblical and religious event is full of spiritual metaphors. Spirituality is about viewing the world from a place of wholeness and completeness. The fall from Paradise symbolizes a fall away from unity into multiplicity. The birth of Christ represents potential birth of Christ consciousness in each being. This opportunity to live harmony, show universal compassion, does not roll around once a year. Every moment in fact reveals the plain presence of love and truth." - Liara Covert
"Christ consciousness does not refer to a human man. Christ is not a man, but Universal Consciousness (Logos) available to all, buried deep in our own mind as Universal Consciousness, but for most, not yet realized. You save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of linear time. So, all human beings are already saved. We save ourselves because we are energetically designed to self-correct like the rest of the Creator’s universe. Every moment, avenues exist to increase the flow of life force energy. This separation of ego-self from the Whole is what people call Sin." - Liara Covert
"One of the most fundamental errors in our human understanding of the universe is the idea that it is even possible for anything to be completely separate from anything else. Every point (and therefore every thing) in the entire universe is connected to every-other point and thing in the universe by the SPACE that everything in the universe is defined by.
You may think of space as being empty, but science has proven that this perception is an illusion, that space is actually completely full of little tiny tiny vibrations called "vacuum fluctuations" that when all added up equal an infinite amount of energy.
This field of energy that permeates the entire universe has been given a lot of names over the decades: the aether, the plenum, the zero point field, the quantum foam, the source field, the vacuum, God, call it whatever you like, the SPACE that fills everything also connects everything. There is no such thing as "separation" in the universe." - Nassim Haramein
Because we think we are something, we imagine there must be something operating all this Universe.
What IS is pure intelligence, awareness Being. It may also be called God, Self or pure Consciousness.
It is not a thing.
We think we are a ‘thing’, an object or ego and therefore It must also be a ‘thing’. Actually ‘we’ are ‘IT’ but we haven’t realized this yet. We imagine that behind all actions there is an actual separate ‘doer’ doing something. When you discover your formless Self, everything is observed to be simply unfolding spontaneously as one whole functioning.
- Mooji
Sloan Bashinsky I spend time in cyber space, Matthew, because a lot of people spend time there nowadays. I came to your FB page today because a woman acquaintance a little over ten years younger than I sent me the link to this FB post of yours, as part of trying to convince herself, I suppose, as well as me, that the Devil does not actually exist. When I disagreed, she said its all duality. I said its all God, and Evil is God separated from God.
Much has been said and written for ages about human and spirit goings on. I have said and written much. All of it stemmed from direct experiences with what science cannot begin to grok. You quoted C.G. Jung,Matthew. I have read his autobiography, and something he wrote about "the ET phenomenon". He said it was archetypal. There were no ETs. Problem is, he was mistaken. I know that for a fact. Just as I know for a fact that the being known as Jesus actually exists now. And Archangel Michael. And Melchizedek. And, Lucifer. And plenty more that does not reside in human bodies. I'd be stark raving mad, though, if I thought for an instant that I could prove any of that. Belief is the foundation of human religions. After a while of direct experiences with what cannot be proved, or disproved, by science, or by religion for that matter, belief incrementally is replaced by knowing. some of what else is around, but certainly not the whole of it. Not even angels know God very well, but much better than you, or I.
But yes, if you wish to take the metaphorical or symbolic approach, I can join you there. I deal with metaphor ongoing, in human event, in my dreams, in my visions. Whenever I engage a human event, I know I am engaging spirit forces behind it. I get roughed up plenty internally, and attacked plenty externally and internally. This that my job. It also is my life. And, I do human things I enjoy doing.
But in my bizarre journey this time around, and in the bizarre journey of several other people I have known, most of whom seemed to have been "infected by" what had a hold of me for a while, but there were others who came to it before I met them, we, people, are not alone. On this planet, and I suppose on other planets, and in other dimensions, so-called sentient beings have experiences that enable them to grow, or not. Probably the very first and core step is to stop projecting. That is the intent of A Course in Miracles, if you have read it. I was given a course in mirrors, instead, which was awful. Given is not really accurate. it was imposed. ACIM says human beings on Earth live in projection. They are captured by it. Thus, whenever something punches your buttons, don't react. Don't try to fix or change the exterior. Do that every day for a year and you will emerge a different person, who at least has a chance to progress (evolve).
In March 2006, I was told in my sleep by a familiar voice, that humanity had failed to reach escape velocity, and this had happened before, but I could still do it, and I would be given experiences designed to increase my velocity, like scientists send space vehicles to celestial bodies to enter their gravitational field and be sling-shotted away at a greater speed. That's been going on ever since. Before that was no picnic. A dark night of the soul, then after a couple of years, the black night, which made the dark night seem really nice.
There is so very much more in heaven and on earth than is in our human philosophies, and I am pretty sure what is above is reflected below, and what is below is reflected above. Which, well, might be FREAKY.
As far as I can tell, what each person can do to change and evolve on this planet is to look inside first, before trying to fix the exterior. Yet, also engage the exterior in the moment as courageously as kindly and truthfully as can be mustered. This entails, yes, leaving the herd. And a herd, or herds, which replaced the first herd. It entails going whole hog at whatever is attempted. Being willing to die, even. Be ostracized. Be locked up for what you think and say. And do. Even though you have harmed no person, but have shaken the status quo, which is like a living being that views change as life-threatening and to be resisted with lethal force, if necessary.
Jesus in the Gospels is a terrific example of that path. And Gandhi. And Nelson Mandela. There have been many others. They evolved experentially, existentially. What they knew was one thing, what they did, or didn't do, was something else entirely. Their lives were living gestalts. On this planet. In other realms. Simultaneously. They knew Evil was very real, and they knew it was inside of them, and outside of them. The beings who captured me in early 1987, went by the names of Jesus and Michael. Later, Melchizedek joined them. They told me, and other people I knew, they were trying to teach us how to live as they live, which is very different from how most human beings live.
Matthew Knott Sloan Bashinsky - I appreciate your contributions to this post Brother. Indeed, it is ALL God, yet that which is infinite and omnipresent cannot be separated from Itself. Prior to thought, there is no perceived separation, as such it is an illusion of the mind. Another view is that we're all ET's as we are Souls playing human roles, and our Souls are not from Earth.
"There is absolutely nothing wrong with contemplating duality as long as you know it to be an idea. If duality cannot introduce itself to you and explain how it works without you assisting in the matter through comparisons and judgments – it has no separate existence. While many contemplate the nature of separation or attempt to bring polarity into balance, they have yet to see each attempt as a journey toward the other side of the same idea.
In reality, you cannot travel to the opposite side of an idea without discovering another one. The point is not to dissolve separation, but to directly see it as an idea. If separation existed, your fingers could miss each other, or fight for a dominant position. Instead, each digit works in harmony with the intelligence of the hand for the well-being of your body.
To experience the difference between reality and ideas, you can ask yourself:
“Do the things that I label know themselves by these labels, or is it merely a reflection of how I was taught to label things?”
“Am I seeing things as they are, or simply how I was taught to view each label?”
“Can I see the things I’ve labeled, along with each opposite counterpart, do not know itself as such things?”
“Maybe day and night do not call itself day or night, perhaps only I do?”
“What if reality is serving the freedom of my journey by becoming in my experience whatever I insist about it?”
“No matter how life is seen, perhaps it’s only this way to me?”
“If I suspended each label and merely noticed each sight, sound, and feeling as experiences of sight, sound, and feeling, how does my experience change?”
Even the notions of non-duality is not the arrival of truth, but a sense of contrast felt when momentarily freed from ideas of duality. If you wish to explore freedom from duality or separation, just acknowledge both as ideas. They aren’t good or bad, in need of being cleared, or a challenge to overcome. They are merely ideas arising in a mind, awaiting your willingness to return to love.
Since the mind tends to be as noisy or fearful as the heart is closed, it is your willingness to love what arises that resolves each spiritual argument that can only free you from one idea by escorting you into another. This process is known as reframing. In order to experience the true joy of liberation, it can be as simple as recognizing each idea, as an opportunity to love the one hiding in ideas, as they have never been loved before.
In the end, you may come to see how true clarity and liberation has nothing to do with ending duality, overcoming separation, or waiting for something else to begin. It is through your willingness to honor ideas, as simply being ideas, which provide endless degrees of experience as gifts for your adventure. If your experience seems anything less than the adventure it is destined to become, I invite you to surrender to love by embracing the one who thinks, acts, and feels however you appear to be.
No matter the path or process being explored, anything other than loving yourself could only be another idea that only the innocence of ideas debate or discuss. This is why self-love is the heart of awakening. It is a love revolution that begins with you." - Matt Kahn
"Awareness assumes the form of the finite mind in order to simultaneously create and know the world, but it doesn't need to assume the form of mind in order to know itself. Awareness is 'made of' pure knowing or being aware, and therefore knows itself simply by being itself. Awareness doesn't need to reflect its knowing off an object in order to know itself, just as the sun doesn't need to reflect its light off the moon in order to illuminate itself." - Rupert Spira
"We're all angels and earth is an angel academy. This is a school where we are a graduating class of angels, where after this lifetime many of us will go to work as spirit guides for the new wave of future souls that incarnate. In the angel academy you're learning to become the master, the angel that you are by learning what angels do. So it's kind of like there are victims in the angel academy who are there to be rescued by angels until they've been rescued enough times that they realize they're an angel. And then when a victim starts doing what angels do, they become the angel they always are. A victim is an angel that doesn't know themselves, and an angel is a fully transformed victim." - Matt Kahn
"You are the angel who was sent here to guide the evolution of a being as your training in the angel academy in becoming a spirit guide. But what you weren't told is that the life you would be guiding as the angel or spirit guide, is the body in which you inhabit. So you are the angel guiding the life and times of a character that you're also portraying and playing out. You are your spirit guide in form. You are the angel you've been waiting for, and it's loving what arises that brings your angelic presence to life." - Matt Kahn
"You can't get into heaven. You can't get out of heaven. All of this is heaven manifested to look like it is something else to give you the experience of growth helping you to become the angel you already are." - Matt Kahn
"We are on a journey of becoming that which we already are. That is the impossible paradox of our lives." - Adyashanti
There is no way to experience anything outside of you. Anything that happens, occurs between the ears. There is no outside of us, it's all an inside game.
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Gosh, Matthew, you quote other people of note like Christians quote the Bible and people of note in it, although they tend to quote Paul a bit more than they quote Jesus, maybe because Jesus is a bit harder to swallow?. What would really interest me, and perhaps people who look up to you, Matthew, is to hear from you what you yourself have experienced in life and learned and grown spiritually in that way. Meanwhile, you cannot banish Evil by believing, thinking, wishing or saying it does not exist, anymore than you can banish God in that way, or love, or truth, or pain, or joy, for examples. Yet, it has been my experience with the New Age, for example, that it is convinced Evil does not exist. Which suits Evil just fine.
Matthew Knott Notice that prior to learning the judgment/label of "evil", you knew of no such thing. Likewise "good" or "bad". What may be good to you, may be bad to another and vice versa. We can believe that evil exists, or we can See that God/Life exists. In being that God is infinite, there cannot be anything outside of, separate from, or other than It. "Most people do not see their beliefs. Instead, their beliefs tell them what they see." - Matt Kahn
"Any beliefs you hold bind you to an illusory world of limitation. Whatever you believe is thus bound to be challenged for beliefs are contrary to your natural flow and infinite being. Consciousness is a mystery often pursued because it is unseen. Knowing is beyond belief, beyond doubting and seeking proof. Knowing is your core state. Knowing true nature is loving everything equally, seeing harmony in all. The less separation you see, the more you feel the silent truth and wheel of time." - Liara Covert
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Again, you quote other people. I imagine if I had a chance to sit down with any of them, and they did not try to control the dialogue, in short order t hey would be trying to control the conversation. I wonder, Matthew, if you have had any direct experiences with what science cannot disprove and religion cannot prove? I also wonder if you are being influenced by what you seem to deny exists. You kinda remind me of the fifth case in the Jesuit priest Malachi Martin's classic exorcism textbook: HOSTAGE TO THE DEVIL.That case involved a youngish man who had gotten involved in esoteric spiritual practices and unawares possessed by a demonic entity. He was a while accepting it and getting delivered.
Same happened to a good friend of mine. A non-practicing Jew, who viewed himself as a new age guru, yogi, astrologer, Taro reader, runes thrower, Taoist, vegetarian, organic foods and pure or filtered water consumer. He worshiped wheat grass juice. He was sure Evil did not exist. One day, I saw the countenance of Lucifer in his profile and suggested he get a copy of HOSTAGE TO THE DEVIL and read it. He reacted. I said it was just a suggestion. He got the book, then he reacted again. I said I didn't make him buy the book. The next day he reported a dream of the night before. His favorite Jewish grandmother Came to him, smiling, holding out a copy of HOSTAGE TO THE DEVIL. My friend said he would read the book. A few days later he called me and said he had a problem, didn't he? I said, yes. He asked how long I had known. I told him, and what I had seen, and I didn't tell him because I figured he wouldn't believe me.
The same angels on my case had recently taken him on and he knew it. They had given him what seemed like perfect spirit hearing and vision. As he and I talked, what he was sure did not exist came toward him. He was terrified, asked me to stay on the phone with him. I said I was there, and the angels were there, and they were what he needed to trust. They took him through it a number of times. He was terrified each time. It was a process, not anything like casting out demons. The further he went with the angels, the deeper the deliverance went.I had already been through it somewhat differently, and would go through it a few more times.
In a reprint of his book, Father Martin said the Roman church was possessed by Lucifer at very high levels, evidenced by the church had discontinued teaching priests the sacred rites of exorcism. Some years later, the church resumed teaching the rites, which are very different from how my friend and I were delivered. That led me to think perhaps the methods used by the Roman church and other Christian sects are not a complete cure? For each person has a demonic twin, which reflects the external Evil. Jesus faced both during the 40 days in the wilderness, after which, the gospel text says, the devil left him to return at a more opportune time.- Matthew Knott Sloan Bashinsky - I will continue quoting people if I feel called to, it's how I choose to operate at times Brother. You can allow yourself to be bothered by it, or accept what is. I recall being 'saved' when I was 9 at church and feeling an energy go through me from head to toe and then back out again. Many years later I realized that separation was an illusion, and that what I felt/experienced that day was not something separate from me, but instead an aspect of myself letting its presence be known. While incarnated within the dream of time, form & separation, in dualistic thinking, I accept darkness. In Seeing the bigger picture and from a higher perspective, I See that there is only Light. Nothing and nobody is separate from or external to my Self, as such nothing but my Self (the One 'I AM') influences me. God exists. Life exists. Existence exists. WE are That, at our core. God is infinite, nothing can exist outside of/separate from It, not even what we've labeled as "evil" or "demonic", although the conditioned mind would have one believe or convince itself otherwise. God is omnipresent; nowhere and in nothing/nobody is God not present. It's ALL One, and it's ALL "God"... or in other words... Light/Life/Love/Consciousness/Awareness/Presence/Divinity/Infinite Being.
"Evil" (or "demonic") is simply a label people have learned along the way and now project onto their experience of what IS. Before learning that label, they did no such projecting. It is up to us to become aware of and See through our conditioning. In judging our experience of something or someone as being 'Evil', we're only judging ourselves.. whether we realize it or not. My experience is about me, in the sense that it is based upon my interpretation and conditioned filters through which I am perceiving what is. I am not separate from that which I see, although I may think I am. Beyond thought, Oneness IS. Underneath it all, I am consciousness, as is ALL. There is no difference between the Creator and creation, just as there is no difference between the ocean and its waves. We're experiencing a holographic reality where within it, each piece is equal to the sum of the whole. (Everything is every-thing). Each human being is a holon; simultaneously a part and a whole. As Souls or individuated expressions of God/Spirit, we are each not only in our own world but ARE our world, and are experiencing our own unique version of life/earth, while we all share the same space or consciousness. The Observer/the observed are one. If I judge what I see, then in seeing through the illusion of separation, I judge myself. Judgment is fear-based, arising from the belief in the deceptive appearance of separation. Fear judges. Love loves. Love is the absence of judgment. I cannot love myself and judge myself or another at the same time. So as for us to embody our deepest essence which is that of Unconditional Love, life is trying to end our relationship with judgment. 
Trish Hill Matthew Knott this is so symbolic. It clearly shows what it is you believe in. It’s always best to listen not to what verbiage a man uses but to look at what he uses as a representation of his self. I know Mattie, I know
Matthew Knott Trish Hill - Thanks for sharing your perspective. Much love and many blessings to you!
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott I appreciate you speaking from your own experiences.
In a perfect world, there is no separation. There is only love and truth, which are in harmony. I have yet to meet anyone living in that state of being. I have met people who experienced it once, or sometimes. I have experienced it from time to time.
I wish everyone was in that state of being all the time. How different that would be!
Meanwhile ...
I agree God is in everything and every being, and separation from God is, well, I suppose part of getting to know and appreciate God better? For how can that happen, unless absence from God is experienced?
Kinda reminds of the parable of the prodigal son. By the end of that parable, the prodigal seems in much better shape than his older brother, who never strayed from God. Many years ago, I came to view that parable as prophesy of the redemption of Lucifer. Even later, I thought it was a story Jesus told on himself: he once had been a prodigal. How else, I suppose, could he have emphasized with people separated from God? Wonder how the older brother in the parable would have gotten along with Jesus' assignment 2,000 years, or so, ago?
I was put with a woman for a while, who, was healed and cleaned up by Jesus, Michael and Melchizedek, according to her. I watched her go through it, took about 3 weeks, the healing sessions were terrifying for her, 3 a day, usually. At the core was she had been sexed by her father from age 3 until 18, when she knew she had to leave her parent's home, but did not know why.. For, she had no conscious memory of the incest, but the extensive volatile healing convinced her the it had happened.
When the healing was done, she had what seemed like perfect spirit vision, hearing and empathy.
She told a yogi his heart was closed. It really disturbed him. What that judgement, or simply his condition?
My lady said Jesus and is mother, Mary, came and told her Mary had molested Jesus in his youth. That was on the heels of my getting for several days that there was an evil greater than Lucifer, and then my lady said Michael told her that, if Sloan could conceive an evil greater than Lucifer, then it existed. Was that judgment, or revelation?
I was furious, not over what my lady was told, but over it being kept hidden, because I knew what great havoc a secret like that had wreaked in the collective unconscious of not only Christendom, but also humanity. Was that judgment, or knowing?
My lady said Michael told her that incest was a prevalent back then as it is today. Was that judgement on Michael's part? Or just stating what was?
My lady then suffered the eruption of maybe a dozen white-hot boils on her inner thighs, just below her vagina. We viewed that as physical and metaphysical proof of what she had been told by Jesus and his mother.
After my lady suffered about three days of that agony, it came to me that we needed to make love, to move the process along. She, of course, didn't like the idea, but she was an angel-trained shaman and understood why I said it. So, we made love, slowly. It was beautiful. Her orgasm was really powerful. The white-hot boils then began to recede. In a week, they were gone. All the verification we needed, even if no one else believed us.
Backing up to shortly after my lady was healed and changed by the angels, she said they told her that some people might not like it, but on this world, women are God's chosen vessels for love, and through love, women come to truth; and men are God's chosen vessels for truth, and through truth, men come to love.
Then, my lady said she was told by the angels that all women on this world are in a rabid war with God, and that war is the cause of all wars on this world, including all man-made wars. Was that judgement, or revelation? I told her I figured that had to do with women are second-class citizens on this world; it's a lot easier being a man.
My lady said the angels told her to send letters to all her women friends, stating what she had been told about the chosen vehicles and all women being in a rabid war with God. She sent the letters. Her women friends did not take it well. Was that judgment on her part, or obedience to her calling?
She told me that Michael told her of Michael and other angels in service to God: they were all fallen angels, who had returned to God, and that was why they were assigned to try to help people on this world, and I supposed elsewhere.
Michael, I accept as true what you told me of your supernatural childhood experience when you were saved. It was of God. I had a somewhat similar experience when I was in my 45th year, which was the beginning of the end of the man I was, and the beginning of someone I did not yet know. Do you accept what all I told you above, which my lady told me she experienced, was of God?
Jesus taught not to judge other people, yet when he was teaching people and was told his mother and brothers had come to see him, he asked the audience, who were his mother and his brothers? Then he said they were those who did the will of God. It was unheard of for a Jewish man to not receive his mother and his brothers. Was that judgment of his mother and his brothers, or simply the truth about them?
When Jesus spoke to or about his mother in the Gospels, it was pejorative. Was that judgment? Was that his way of reminding his mother of what she had done with him when he was young?
My lady's parents had not been religious. They did not attend church. She had no religious training growing up. She was, best described, a white aborigine with a New Age perspective. She had not thought there was Evil. The angels changed her mind. Was that her judging, or becoming more aware?
In the Gospels, Jesus spoke very directly, and not kindly, of the devil, which he called Satan, and of Satan's angels. So, I suppose Jesus was still stuck in duality Or was he simply being real?
Jesus' first reported miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding,after his mother had nagged him to do it. Was he still dominated by her dating back to the incest? Was that when the Devil returned at a more opportune time?
More miracles came. Miracles became the core of Christendom. Jesus' teachings about how to live in keeping with God's ways took second seat, or so it looks to me. Is that judgment on my part, or actual observation and reasonable wondering?
Is a physician in judgment telling a patient she, or he, has cancer? Or is that a diagnosis?
Is an exorcist priest, such as Malachi Martin, in judgment telling a patient, or the mother church, he, or she,or it is demonically possessed? Or, is that a diagnosis?
If you, Matthew have moved beyond duality, beyond judgment, into unconditional love, then hooray for you!
The Sufi poet Rumi said some things about that place.
What you call love
is but subtle degrees of domination.
Love is like the moon in the window,
it's just there!
Beyond good and evil is a field,
and I will meet you there.
My take was that was what Rumi heard God say to him.
Matthew Knott Sloan Bashinsky - My pleasure Brother. Thank you for sharing about and speaking upon your experiences as well!
Another view is that this is a perfect world, and there is no separation except the illusion/deceptive appearance of it, which can be seen through....
"What the mind designates as 'perfection' or 'imperfection' is not the same as what is felt as inherent perfection." - Liara Covert
"When you wake up you realize that everything is perfect, even in its seeming imperfections." - Mooji
"Notice only perfection exists. You accept it or believe filters of your own mind. Awakening involves you opening to awareness, growing conscious of inner knowing that has always been, though hidden from view by belief in illusion. Even when life does not meet your expectations, it is always perfect. Seeing the world as a mirror is recognizing all you see is a reflection of how you see yourself. If you see conflict in the world, this points to conflict within, resistance to who you are. Start seeing yourself as you are. Stop seeing yourself as you are not. The world is as it is. Cease to judge and be revitalized. Peace, love and harmony arise. From where? From nowhere. Simply be open. Judgement prevents truth/love from entering your scope. If you want to live in perfection, you have to let go of self-created limitation, that is, all your beliefs and values. Every human has the potential to stop seeking what being already is. The ego is a timeless teacher available to all. Simply stop looking and start allowing. See things through the eye of God like an innocent child. If you reduce things to your own understanding, you see less than perfect, only see based on limited personal experience of the observer. However you envision yourself, you become that. Envision yourself as less than, create ideas to confirm this and experience that. Come what may, divine perfection is ever-present. The eye of truth/love sees all of us as one vibration experiencing itself through everything else." - Liara Covert
The biggest misconception in life is the belief that the world
is a separate object, whereas in truth, the world is the expression of the Subject, which is what we are. Thus the saying, ‘I don’t see the world as it is, I see the world as I am,’ is true.
- Mooji
"The human mind only observes with filters, and thus perceives only its own distorted reflection. Mental and emotional filters distort everything until you see things as they are and stop seeing reflections of who you perceive yourself to be." - Liara Covert
"The whole world is you, yet you keep thinking there is something else." - Hsueh Feng
Realizing that separation is an illusion and seeing through it can change many perspectives. There cannot be any separation from that which is infinite and omnipresent. The Truth is simple, the ways of obscuring the Truth are complex. Although we can experience the perception of thinking or believing we're separate from God, we cannot be. Interesting about Jesus being molested by Mary.. makes you wonder. In seeing through the illusion of separation, there is no 'with' God; there is ONLY God. (God has never been with you. God has always been You.) As such, ALL is 'of God'. Ultimately there is only the will of God in existence, for if it weren't so, what was would not have been and what is would not be.
Just because a book said that a man named Jesus said something, doesn't mean that he actually did, nor does it mean that those were his exact words, or that aspects of what he may have said, or was said to have experienced, could not be interpreted metaphorically rather than literally. Your mind is either open to that possibility or not. Duality is simply an idea. Oneness IS. Analyzing is not observation. All aspects of life are, to each of us, whatever we choose to make of them.
"The core state of Being is Unconditional Love. It has no opposite. Fear arises from the ignorance of not knowing you are Love. The very not knowing is a feeling you are incomplete." - Liara Covert
LOVE = Living Our Very Essence <3
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Unfortunately, I have ongoing engagement with demonic entities, fortunately, I suppose, I also have ongoing engagement with angels. I suppose, because oft as not, the angels get onto me about how I am going about things, as well as inform me of how to go about things and what's going on that I cannot see or hear. Looks to me there is a heap awry on this world, and in the adjacent spirit realms. Is that delusion? Is thinking not being, or feeling, perfect, delusion? I think, Matthew, when you leave this life, if not before, you will see that it's a bit different than you think now. I agree, however, that living our very essence is why we came into this life. It's a challenge each person faces. How we went at it is addressed after we leave this life.
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Meanwhile, you are correct, who knows what Jesus actually said, who was not there when he said it? Same can be said for every person you quoted to me.- Matthew Knott Sloan Bashinsky - Another view is that you have ongoing engagement with various forms/expressions of your Self (or the Consciousness that You Are) which you have judged/labeled as 'demonic' entities.
While to you the same can be said for *every* person I've quoted, the people I've quoted here weren't quoted from something they were alleged to have said or expressed 2,000+ years ago. Beyond Hsueh Feng and Adi Shankara, everyone quoted is still alive in the flesh, and one can know that each quote is something the authors of those quotes did actually either say, put in a book, or post online.. via researching readily available audio, video, books, or online posts. - Sloan Bashinsky Back in Jesus' time, oral traditions and history were passed down word of mouth as well as written. I can't imagine someone making up a lot of what is attributed to Jesus in the Gospels, it's too radical, I think, to be invented. What I wonder is, how much he said and did is not told in the Gospels? I think it was Peter who said at the end of one his letters, if every thing this man (Jesus) said and did were written down, he supposed it would take all the books in the world. In the Gospels Jesus told his disciples what he told them in private wise men and kings would give all they had to possess. He told his disciples he taught the masses in parables, but he taught them straight up. For examples of what did not get included. I've read and heard of plenty of spiritual "teachers". I've met quite a few. myself. I been in lots of churches. I got drenched in the New Age, which seems about as confused as Christendom. I found no one I felt was anywhere near close to being fused with God. I read of a few people who seemed close, or there. Jesus struck me as the most advance of them all, of whom I had heard. I never heard of some of the people you quote. But I viewed Madame Blavastky, whom you quoted, as a lightweight.
As for everything around me is a part of me, well, that's a nice theory, which I have heard before. Perhaps it is. I view much of what came to me from the spirit realms as parts of me I had lost, forgotten, thrown away, or never new where there. It's same for everyone. I view people who come my way as messengers to me about something in or around me. I wrote two books about that. The first was to view all legal problems as messages to us about us, our soul wounds, karma, past relationships, etc. The second book was more intense. A Course in Mirrors I called the process. I dunno. Using your perspective, I'm a part of you, but you might not agree if you lived in my skin a while. If you lived in my skin a while, it might alter you perspective of just about everything. But you don't live in my skin, Nor do I live in your skin. I recognize it is possible that you are one with God. John of the Cross was. Francis of Assissi was. Based on what I read about them and experienced with them metaphysically. I'm not there and don't expect to be there in this lifetime. Nor, other than perhaps you, is anyone I know or met in this lifetime, or read about or heard about, who was living on this planet.
Matthew Knott Not only is it possible that I am one with God (as are you and everyOne else) it already is so. We are each the One in ALL, ALL in one, or as the poet Rumi expressed.. "You are not just a drop in the ocean. You are the mighty ocean in a drop."
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Heh, I think Rumi must have had multiple personality disorder, then, since God told him, What you call love is but subtle degrees of domination; love is like the moon in the window, it's thus there. And, Beyond good and evil is a field, and I will meet you there. Then, there was the chickpea poem, where the chickpea ain't too thrilled about what the chef is doing to him. Rumi is the chickpea.
CHICKPEA TO COOK
A chickpea leaps almost over the rim of the pot
where it’s being boiled.
‘Why are you doing this to me?’
The cook knocks him down with the ladle.
‘Don’t you try to jump out.
You think I’m torturing you.
I’m giving you flavour,
so you can mix with spices and rice
and be the lovely vitality of a human being.
Remember when you drank rain in the garden.
That was for this.’
Grace first. Sexual pleasure,
then a boiling new life begins,
and the Friend has something good to eat.
Eventually the chickpea
will say to the cook,
‘Boil me some more.
Hit me with the skimming spoon.
I can’t do this by myself.
I’m like an elephant that dreams of gardens
back in Hindustan and doesn’t pay attention
to his driver. You’re my cook, my driver,
my way to existence. I love your cooking.’
The cook says,
‘I was once like you,
fresh from the ground. Then I boiled in time,
and boiled in the body, two fierce boilings.
My animal soul grew powerful.
I controlled it with practices,
and boiled some more, and boiled
once beyond that,
and became your teacher.’
Sloan Bashinsky Matthew Knott Getting to where you say you are at is a long not particularly fun process, unless God simply gives it to you.
Sloan Bashinsky There was a fellow who wrote a book called Conversations With God, who said he was God, we all all God. But she sure didn't seem to be able to do what all God could do, nor much of anything God could do. He was, yes, a piece of God. We all are. Even the Devil.
Matthew Knott "Humility comes from realizing that God is the Doer, not you. When you see that, how can you be proud of any accomplishment? Think constantly that whatever work you are performing is being done by the Lord through you.'' - Paramahansa Yogananda
There must either be 'you' living in this body or God living in this body. Who does better?
Bear in mind it was God's house in the first place.
Where do 'you' come from?
- Mooji
"Notice pure consciousness is. 'You' arise by taking on projections of the world around you. Pure consciousness is colored by them. "Your" identity takes shape as you decide to accept or modify the projections. That decision gets repressed in the unconscious and becomes a fixation. Once repressed, you can no longer change it. Your thinking process grows from projections and your decisions arise as the basis of thought. Ego (who you believe you are) arises from who you are told you are. The false idea of you stems from early projections, decisions and fixations. It's like ego is the image you see in the mirror. The basis of the underlying operating system (beyond the mirror) often goes unrecognized. The ego wants center stage. Eliminate the operating system, and the ego disappears ('you' see no reflection). Yet, to hold 'your' attention, ego imagines problems. This prevents you from seeing behind the curtain/mirror. By thinking it's unworthy, in need of improving, ego prolongs its false existence. As long as ego can maintain the illusion of imperfection, 'you' do not see ego arises from false logic. No entity really bears your name, personality, or sense of person-hood. It's an illusion created by pure consciousness, filtered through primary projections. To eliminate the fixation, grow aware the projections are false. By imagining inadequacies, you perpetuate suffering and the illusion of separation. The real issue is the projections only arise because originally what was offered was a lack of love. Do not trust the projection that produced 'your ego'. It was not God saying he did not love you, it was people in your life that unknowingly withheld /did not provide constant, unconditional love. No matter how much self-improvement you do at level of ego, you are still unworthy because of the structure of the ego. No matter what cosmetic changes you make, no matter how much money you obtain, none of it will end the projection the core of the ego desire to improve itself. Only by growing conscious you are a Being of Light does the desire for love shift beyond Ego processes and yearn for improvement. Innermost Source of love is pure consciousness from where all creativity comes. Be the endless field of abundance, joy and bliss." - Liara Covert
Sloan Bashinsky If you read Yogananda's autobiography, you saw he had a Jesus-like yogi, who taught him God's ways, incrementally. Yogananda did not himself claim he was fused with God, nor did his yogi claim that about himself. They both saw becoming more like God was a process.
Had a fun back and forth yesterday and today with a good friend, which began with him sending me something about God asking people to spend a few minutes praising God, instead of themselves, I supposed. Here's a link to it on my blog:
https://afoolsworkneverends.blogspot.com/.../na-ga-hick....
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Matthew Knott Thanks for sharing as you feel called to Brother
"The teacher is really yourself. You have created a teacher to wake you up. The teacher would not be here if you were not dreaming about the teacher..." - Robert Adams
- Sloan Bashinsky With all due respect, Matthew, I did not create Jesus and Michael, whom God sent to be my teachers, after, in early January 1987, I had failed in every way I figured a man could failed. had reached the end of my rope, and was out of bright ideas, and I knew it, and in that desperate state I prayed: "Dear God, I do not want to die like this, failed, please help me. I offer my life to human service." About ten days later, in the wee hours, maybe 2 a.m., I woke up and saw two spirit beings hovering above me in the darkness, I figured they were angels, no wings, but they were clearly not of this world, etheric, white with blue tint, and I plainly heard not with my ears but in my being, "This will push you to your limits, but you asked for it," I remembered the prayer, "and we are going to give it to you," and then saw a white flash and felt jolted by something electrical, my body lurched, then that happened again, and then again, and the two beings dissolved into the ethers. That was as real as what you reported you experienced when you were baptized. That's when the man I had been began to die and eventually become someone else entirely. Along the way, I came to understand the two beings were Jesus and Michael, and then Melchizedek joined them, and then the already wondrous and often very difficult training became much more difficult. At times i I prayed to die and feared I would live. I plotted suicide daily for 16 months starting February 1997, and something stayed my hand. I take no credit for surviving what all they put me through. And still put me through. If it were done to humanity, what was done to me, perhaps 500 people would survive. Perhaps only 50. Of the people you quoted, of whom I have heard, perhaps Yognanda would have recognized it for what it was. The Baptism in Fire and Spirit, which Jesus said in the Gospels he came to provide, while he himself experience during that lifetime, is very real. It is the death and rebirth of which Jesus spoke. Of which most Christians cannot begin to imagine. But some people over time experienced it. And still experience it. Some of them were Christians, some not. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with God, which religion attempts to define and even control, which is not possible.
- Sloan Bashinsky The Devil is no more an archetype than you and I, Matthew. The Devil is as real as you and I. As are Jesus, Michael, Melchizedek and many other angels known to humanity. All of them came out of God, as did you and me. This poem came to me in May 1995.
Earth,
the sacred prism
through which souls are refracted
into their elemental parts,
purified in Holy Fire,
then one-forged and sent on their way
to not even God knows where,
simply because they are all
unique emanations of God,
evolving ... - Sloan Bashinsky I tell stories (report) what I and other people really experienced, which embody spiritual workings in and outside of human beings on this world. Not many people seem to care for my stories, perhaps because they are about a lot of really difficult inside and outside work, which is the only way to spiritually evolve on this world, unless God simply enlightens you, but is that evolving?
Matthew Knott You're free to think that about you not creating them, yet the mind is the greatest deceiver of all. While the "I" that you're perhaps referring to didn't create them, the real You did. "I" can be seen as referring to the ego, yet it also can be seen as referring to 'One' ('I' being the roman numeral for One) as in the One Being that we all are ('I Am') or the One in ALL. We can think we're our ego, and only this human vessel, or we can See that we are Consciousness, from which everything/everyone manifested and is an expression of.
The 3rd dimension says: “There’s something deeper to be explored.”
The 4th dimension says: “Here are all the things I’ve learned from exploring.”
The 5th dimension says, “I AM what I’ve explored.”
The 6th dimension says, “Exploration is the one I AM.”
The 7th dimension says, “I AM the one exploring itself.”
The 8th dimension says, “I AM the one, the one I AM.”
- Matt Kahn
"You are the creator of it all, and you don't remember creating because it was created before memory was imagined."
"Time is a memory."
"Everything that I've ever experienced has been God's will. And that God is not above me, that God is not beyond me, that God is within me. And that God has created this lifetime, and I am the God that has created this lifetime. And I created it prior to the imagination of space and time, which is before all people show up in the play, which is why you don't remember creating your life, because you weren't a person. Not that you're a person right now, but you didn't create this in time that's why you can't remember creating it. But this was created by the reality of God that you are, to incarnate into this character to celebrate your infinite potential as a character who would become the greatness of what surviving every moment would surely reveal." - Matt Kahn (As excerpted from the following 11-minute video that changed my life... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZNZHMnyz3I )
Love the experience that you shared.. powerful. I respect that to you the devil is real.- Sloan Bashinsky The Devil is real. Every person has a demonic twin. Jesus had one. It came out during the 40 days in the wilderness. I have met my demonic twin. I have seen other people meet their demonic twin. I have met Luciver and demons in spirit ways and in many people. I have met God in spirit ways and in many people. If you had had my experiences, Matthew, you would see things differently. You are free to believe whatever you wish to believe., but when you preach it to other people as the God's truth, then you become liable to God for it being the God's truth, and if you are mistaken, then your karma will be ... interesting.
- Matthew Knott Brother, you need not continue repeating that the devil is real. I get it. You think/believe and thus have convinced yourself that the devil is real. Another view is that You are what's real in all of this. We all have an ego, or inner child in disguise which masquerades at times as our shadow. This is perhaps the 'demonic' twin you're referring to. Of course Brother, if we all had each other's experiences, and perception of those experiences, we'd all see things differently. Another view is that nobody has ever met God, as everyOne IS God, thus they've only encountered their Self in infinite forms. Your opinion is not my reality, but I thank you for sharing it.
- Sloan Bashinsky I think and believe nothing about the Devil being real. I have had the direct experience many times with the Devil, I know the Devil exists. I have had the direct experience with God many times. I know,God exists. Leave it at that, Matthew, instead of converting it again to what you think I believe.
- Matthew Knott That which believes and labels, is also that which denies. If you had never learned the label of the "Devil", you would not "know" the "Devil" exists. You've only ever experienced God, or your Self. Being that God is infinite, God is our reality.
- Sloan Bashinsky You seem not to have paid attention to some of my reports of people I knew very well, who was convinced the Devil does not exist, but were cured of their conviction and it shook them to the very core. II imagine if what they experienced visits you, you will be shaken to the very core.
- Matthew Knott Love and Blessings to you Brother
- Godspeed, Matthew.
sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com
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Very few people comment at this blog, or blogs before it, or blogs after it. I continue blogging, perhaps only to have something to do instead of having nothing to do. I post links to blog posts on Facebook with a brief intro. A while back, I started doing podcasts, and when the fellow who does the tech work learned about Torrent, wee found much greater interest there than at YouTube, and we quit publishing at You Tube. I think there might be thirty episodes at YouTube of The Redneck Mystic Lawyer Podcast. Those and the later episodes, and an earlier audio version which was on Spotify, all now in Torrent. There's now much interest in America in getting ground up by God and turned into something different, and that keeps repeating, until you leave this life. I'm 81 now, and if I get recalled today, that will be just fine. But I think I won't be so lucky.
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