A woman friend lamented the turn this unfolding book took after five conservative-Christian US Supreme Court Justices provisional decision to overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked. She said the book was going so well, was lovely, and it turned mean, judgmental. I said the book is entitled The Yin and the Yang of the Law. She said she knew that, but it is tragic and she hoped the book would return to its original self. I said the Roe v. Wade evil organically invaded the book, and I am addressing it as an exorcist priest.
Here is a link to a The Redneck Mystic Lawyer Podcast episode I posted to my Anomalous-Unusual happenings Facebook page and paid Facebook to boost.
Below are some comment threads under that boosted post, where I engage as an exorcist priest trained by the Melchizedek Order, which is not of this world. The Letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament says Jesus Christ is high priest in Melchizedek.
Sometimes I comment as AuthorAnomalous-Unusual Happenings, sometimes as Sloan Bashinsky. I was blown away by Cheryl Thomas's comments.
Fetuses don't have rights. Glad I could help.
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Bobby Oliveira It looks to me that the pro-lifers argue fetuses are human beings, or are after their heart starts beating, thus abortion is murder. My question, though, is do unborn babies have the unalienable right that trumps all other rights, which is to be raised by mothers who want and love them?
Chris Bridgewater
Bobby Oliveira They do now!
Bobby Oliveira
Chris Bridgewater Technically according to this decision, they don't. Don't forget - a red state will have to arrest somebody. Those doing the arresting and the prosecuting have families subject to the free market. Poor bumpkins.
Chris Bridgewater
Anomalous-unusual happenings I hope you recover from the head injury.
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Chris Bridgewater As for the effect of the 5 conservative Christian justices' decision, if it goes into effect, I imagine most physicians in red states will decline to perform abortions, if they are at risk to being criminally prosecuted by local law enforcement and district attorney, with or without help from civilian bounty hunters.
I saw on TV news last night that a district attorney in Texas said he will not prosecute women who have abortions, but how widespread that might be in Texas or any red state? District attorneys are elected officials, and most of them, I imagine, want to stay in office, and not enforcing their state's abortion law has a good chance of them losing the next election.
I also saw on TV last night news reports of grocery stores in several red states in middle America being out of baby formula for some time, and it will be good while before that is rectified. A woman friend pointed out the obvious this morning, which I had not seen. That's a message from God to the Christian Right about their crusade. There sin't enough baby formula for wanted babies.
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So far, I have not seen one comment that addressed the question in the title of this podcast: What about the unalienable right of unborn Babies to be raised by mothers who want and love them?
Patrick Campbell
Anomalous-unusual happenings Why do we have adoption agencies and Foster Care?
Sloan Bashinsky
Patrick Campbell I have yet to find one pro-lifer who tried to adopt a pregnant woman’s unwanted baby, to prevent an abortion. I have been criticized for saying pro-lifers who have not at least tried to adopt a pregnant mother’s unwanted baby, have no standing to oppose her having an abortion. So far, no one has addressed this podcast’s question.
Patrick Campbell
Sloan Bashinsky Yep. Let the child live but I don’t want it is the mantra of the Pro Life crowd.
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Patrick Campbell yep, and they have no concern for unwanted children being raised by mothers who don’t want them.
Cheryl Thomas
Sloan i’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they’re not pro life. They are pro birth, they want the childbirth, but they don’t want to take care of it. I also told people before, if you want that child born, pull out your checkbook and write a check so that that person could take care of that child, or someone can, you can’t speak out of both sides of your mouth saying pro birth pro life, it is there is or it isn’t. You have to have medical, you have to have childcare, you have to have so many things and they’re not willing to give that. Then we have all these rules for women and their bodies, but what about the men, what about the men who impregnate them where is their responsibility or their coup ability! They have posted pictures of elephants dogs pigs, and people think they’re fetuses of babies. They’re not. they are tissue, they’re not formed, you can’t even tell what they are! Like I said people want children born, then put up and shut up. Child care maternity coverage, everything that child’s gonna need for the rest of his life, until he can get on his own or her own! Her own! People don’t want older children, people don’t want anything but cute babies, that’s why so many are in foster care. I was in foster care, it’s not a fun place to be, and I’d much rather have the child be aborted than be murdered because somebody got angry, or hungry because somebody couldn’t feed them.
Sloan Bashinsky
Cheryl Thomas amen, and there are many ways to murder(abuse) a child that do not stop the child from breathing, and I imagine pro-lifers felt murdered in that way in childhood , and abortion triggers that trauma up out of their subconscious, and it drives them.
Sheila Casagrande Krause
Sloan, I have a friend who wanted to adopt the child of a pregnant woman but was refused. She aborted.
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Sheila Casagrande Krause, that happens, kudos to your friend for trying. Did you try to adopt an unwanted baby?
Sheila Casagrande Krause
Sloan, No, I did not.
Cheryl Thomas
Patrick we have adoption and foster care for children born due to the parents disbelief in abortion. Problem is people want cute babies unfortunately with so many in foster care many will age out never knowing the loving arms of a mother or father. Some people abort the child because they KNOW they cannot raise the child properly. I have seen many children in foster care and adopted being abused, sickening to say the least and the Far right Zealots want more children so they have an agenda they can keep running on as they have NO agenda but Fear!
Albert Crouch
Sloan Bashinsky lots of people adopt from over seas. Adoption laws here are as screwed up as everything else. I’ve meet couples in airports overseas bringing the kinds children back. Plenty of people here want to adopt babies because they can’t have children. I know several families that adopted from other countries because they couldn’t here.
Yvonne Martinez
Sheila Casagrande Krause parents send back hard kids. Bad genes and family issues will follow that child iinspite of adoptive parents best.
Cindy Toth-Adamek
Patrick Campbell there are close to 1/2 a million kids currently in foster care— not many want to adopt: drug addicted kids; fetal alcohol syndrome kids; schizophrenic kids; etc etc
Susan Carlson
Patrick Campbell neither adoption or foster care guarantees that that child will be loved and well taken care of,educated and an asset to society when he grows up. I am certainly not pro-abortion.But please don’t try to tell women that their child will do wonderfully if they birth it and then give it to someone else to raise. There are absolutely no guarantees.
Mary Ann Freeman Macomber
Sloan Bashinsky I have adopted two children but I have to say their mothers chose adoption, I wasn’t there as they made the choice.
Sloan Bashinsky
Mary Ann Freeman Maccomber, good for them.
Cheryl Thomas
Anomalous-unusual happenings children not born do not have rights until they can breathe and live and survive on the outside of the womb when they take their first breath and start crying that is when their life begins until such time they are tissue they don’t have any rights the mother has rights the father has rights the doctors have rights but you don’t have rights to tell people who they have to have as children and who they don’t whether they put them up for adoption or not it’s not for anybody how about this let’s make men give vasectomies as soon as they hit a age of being able to produce it’s reversible and then we won’t have to worry about it.
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Cheryl Thomas Not sure if you think I'm a pro-lifer, I'm not. I don't care for abortion, but that's between the pregnant woman and God. This is a religious matter though, because the right wing religious people are who oppose abortion, and I direct them to their own Bible, Genesis 2:7, where life began for humanity with the first breath of life. Judaism views the first breath of life as when life begins. When does the soul attach? Does anyone know? Is it with the first breath of life?
Cheryl Thomas
Anomalous-unusual happenings The Bible states that life begins when the first breath of the child happens. No I don’t think you’re a pro birth or a pro lifer I think you’re trying to get a point out! Only in Exodus does the Bible talk about abortion! But if they wanna go on the Bible and everything that’s in it, then how about we start taking these people to get divorced or have sex before marriage or any of the other stuff, let’s hold them to the task oh wait we can’t do that, guess what, because church and state are supposed to be separate. The forefathers knew this was happening, that’s why they put it as they did! This is a problem with the white evangelist Christian conservative people. Make America great again was all about putting a white man at the head of the table. Trump was no more Christian than I am. But he knew how to get peoples votes! It’s all a big lie, a big lie, just like the voting was rigged! This is only gonna affect the working class and the poor. Because these people putting these policies in place can go to wherever they wanna go on an airplane and get their mistresses or their wives abortion, this is only going to affect people of color people of low means!
Sloan Bashinsky
Cheryl Thomas Yep, yet the white religious right claim religion has nothing to do with their crusade. Herbal-induced miscarriages were common in all segments of humanity until fairly recently. Odd, Jesus didn’t mention or condemn it in the Gospels. There is a place in the Bible that says a baby’s life begins with the first breath?
Cheryl Thomas
Sloan In Genesis, chapter one, God answers that question himself. He forms a figure from the Earth, but it does not become Adam until God "breathes into him the breath of life, and he became man.” Clearly, life begins when you draw your first breath. According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One cannot kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being, either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being, although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. So, man should be jailed or convicted if he masturbates, as he is killing the seed that could create life? Just a thought, and it is in the bible! I mean, if these far-right extremists are going to say aborting fetal tissue is killing a child, then so is ejaculation without a purpose. WHOA what a slippery slope!
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Cheryl Thomas Please believe me, I am with you all the way. Many times I have argued for putting pro-lifers on the witness stand, swear them in, ask them if the Bible is the inerrant literal word of God, every word and letter in it? When they answer, Yes, give them a Bible and ask them to read Genesis 2:7 to the court. Then tell the judge, "I rest my case, Your Honor." Why the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, the US Department of Justice, the US Supreme Court never figured Genesis 2:7 out, astounds me. Judaism recognizes 2:7 as defining when life begins.
Just as important, when does the soul attach? Before birth, during, with the first breath of life? Does anyone know? Is the unborn a human being before the soul attaches?
Hard to imagine any religious right person not answering, Yes, to preserve their abortion is murder crusade, which they prosecute as if it is them being murdered by abortion. They could care less how it will go for an unwanted baby they, their state and their 5 Supreme Court Justices force an unwilling mother to bring to term.
I think it was 1989, it came to me out of the blue that pro-lifers were so severely abused in childhood that they felt murdered, and abortion triggers that up out of their subconscious and they react as if they are being murdered again. I imagine any psychiatrist or psychologist, not contaminated by religion, would have a similar take. If the 5 Christian Right Justices overturn Roe v Wade, red state women who don't want their unborn babies will be forced to either go to term or figure out a way to end the pregnancy regardless of the Supreme Court and the Religious Right and state antiabortion laws, or raise an unwanted child she may very well mistreat. What kind of monsters want to visit that on an unborn?
Cheryl Thomas
Anomalous-unusual happenings I understand and agree with your argument, makes perfect sense but, please let us get just 1 thing straight. These people screaming and trying to get women to have children not wanted is no more a PRO-LIFER than my DOG! They are PRO-BIRTHERS and i wish people would correct their terminology, as if they were indeed pro-lifers then they would make sure that the child would have the food he/she needed, the roof over their heads to keep them dry, to have clothes to cover them when cold. Then instead of CUTTING welfare and benefits they would enhance this to make sure these children had what they needed to thrive. We would allow mothers and fathers care and time off to bond with that child. We would have childcare in place so that when the parents needed to return to work, they could and have a place to put their children. They would get medical care to handle any emergency that arose, so the parents didn't drown in debt due to medical costs being out of control. NO they are on their HIGH HORSE placating to the people that fill their pockets with no direction of truth! The Soul, if available, comes into the body when life is breathed into the body, if the breath does not come, the soul has no place to reside, thus still births. This is what my Cherokee Great Grandparents taught. These minority of people are trying to continue control over the poor and working class by continuing to put pressure on them to keep them under. Sorry for being so verbose however my mind on this topic goes 100 miles per hour. I wish people would just learn Politicians do not give 1 damn about them, it is all about their power and coffers being filled!
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Cheryl Thomas Yep, the self-called pro-lifers rail against welfare mothers and babies, but their agenda promotes a heap more welfare mothers and babies, and fetal alcohol syndrome, crack, etc. babies.
Cheryl Thomas
Anomalous-unusual happenings also don’t bring religion into this because we’re not a religious country we were not found it on any Christian beliefs any Catholic beliefs or anything else this is why the forefathers decided to keep church and state separate Because who are you to force your beliefs are your religion on me. That sounds like the Taliban so what do we have Christian Taliban now?
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Cheryl Thomas You are right about the forefathers, however, the Christian Right for a very long time have been on a very religious crusade, and now their 5 Supreme Court Justices have joined that crusade, and it does resemble the Taliban, as well as Iran, where mullahs run that country, and make no mistake, the Christian Right want America to be run by Christian Right mullahs, and their churches to be American mosques, and for their version of Sharia law to prevail.
Cheryl Thomas
The fact is I am a native American. I do not believe in the Christian Right's belief system as the Bible has been translated through MANY hands and man has made changes. The Bible is a GUIDE for people who cannot live life correctly and need a guidance system. When does the soul enter the Bible, Well, we believe it enters when air hits the babies face and sucks in his/her first breath, this is when the Soul enters the body otherwise if no air comes in the child is still born and thus no soul was available to enter! The bible states Judge not least ye be judged by the same measure in which ye judge. Again, I am NOT Christian but, i know what the Bible states. The extremists today are trying to shove THEIR GOD down the throats of all of us. The Constitution says. Here is what the First Amendment states in the Establishment Clause:
“CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF…” This was done because of the religious zealots they had ran from overseas. Each man/woman has their belief or religion. That does not mean that we should create laws based on a particular religion. I mean, for Pete's, sake do the Americans want a Muslim to come in a create laws and rules to follow. NO they do not, yet they are trying to do this to us. To each person his need for understanding and what he believes or does not is between him/her and the C,reator. The founding fathers knew religion was a slippery slope that the government had no business being in. People scream God, Jesus, but if they were truly GOD LIKE/JESUS LIKE people, then their actions would be proven, but they are not. They think and want dominion over others, thus they preach this. There are over 16 NAMES to which people call GOD, are they right with this or wrong? We do not know until the day, minute and hour of our death. When I, not you, but I stand before the Creator and sit in judgement it will be for what I DID, not anyone else. Not the woman that had an abortion, not the child murdered by his parents that never wanted him, not the preacher that preaches fear and damnation which I think is a load of horse crap, it is just me. I would rather a child be aborted, than brought into this world never knowing love, warmth, kindness, compassion and more. Today we do not have this with the 448K children in foster care. We do not have this for the children that are cold hungry, lonesome, fearful due to abuse and neglect. NO i would rather they not come here than to face an unjust life.
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Cheryl Thomas From God's mouth through your lips.
Loretta Glynn Fitzgerald
Anomalous-unusual happenings In the 60’s, male congressmen deems that fetuses had no rights. So your putting a fetus without rights ahead of a woman with rights.
Bill Farnum
Loretta Glynn Fitzgerald very interesting. If that “fetus” lives long enough, do you then call it a human being or something else? If it is not human, what is it?
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Loretta Glynn Fitzgerald That's not what I mean. The Christian Right claim fetuses are human beings and killing them is murder. So, I ask the Christian Right, and everyone else, if unborn unwanted babies have an unalienable right to be raised by mothers who want and love them? Requiring a mother to give birth to her unwanted child ignores the unborn child's unalienable right.
Cheryl Thomas
Anomalous-unusual happenings Such a right does not exist until that child takes his first breath, until he does and is a living viable human there are no rights for the child not yet born, the mother has a right to do as she wishes with her body as she is the one that will face her creator not us.
Loretta Glynn Fitzgerald
Bill Farnum Accordining to the 14th amendment the unborn are not considered a person. That’s fact, not an opinion.
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Loretta Glynn Fitzgerald
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Frank Moore
No one’s talking about how the justices committed perjury during confirmation hearings ?
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore I see a lot of talk about that online and TV. The perjury speaks to their standing with Jesus, who was really big on telling the truth.
Frank Moore
Sloan Bashinsky not suppose to be about Jesus, common law is set by precedent not by religious doctrine. Madison was so sure that there would be to many factions for a majority to impose itself on the minority moreover have a minority impose itself on the majority. But that seems to be common since the White Court . Benjamin Franklin had it right when he believed the country would fall to despotism.
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore It's not supposed to be about Jesus, there is nothing in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution about Jesus, but since the nation formed, the religious right kept trying to make America a Christian nation, based on their take on the Bible, and they are going at that very hard now. Thanks to Trump, they now have 5 conservative Christians on the Supreme Court. They hope to take over America, make it like Saudi Arabia or Iran, with Mullahs and Mosques, but right wing Christian variation. A throwback to the Inquisition even?
Frank Moore
Anomalous-unusual happenings and the thing is, it was the Baptists that were most supportive of the separation of church and state because they use to be jailed in the colonies.
But it all really started way back in the White court then Taft court . But this is the most partisan violation of common law principles I’ve seen in a long time . This could allow the privacy precedent to be overruled . States could decide to outlaw interracial marriage again, segregation again. But the next violation of precedent will be allowing public money for the teaching of religious doctrine from case out of Maine
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore Yes, all sorts of grotesque permutations and combinations can leap into the wake of this white Bible waving Supreme Court majority opinion. Too bad the Dems ran Hillary in 2016, instead of VP Joe.
Frank Moore
Sloan Bashinsky too bad we all did vote for Gary Johnson in 2016, would have sent message to both sides, we’re tired of the fanaticism running policy
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Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore I liked Johnson, but voted for Dr. Jill Stein, because she was talking about healing people and saving the planet. from humanity. I published many times at my blog that Hillary and Donald should be locked up in adjoining cells.
Frank Moore
Sloan Bashinsky well first we need to save humanity from itself and Johnson was the one to help find middle ground, had the experience in executive office to get things done and not just placate a certain few .
SloanBashinsky
Frank Moore I liked Johnson's running mate, too. I don't think there is any way to save humanity from itself.
Frank Moore
Anomalous-unusual happenings just have to keep hoping . Maybe by changing the things we can around us we can make the ideas expand , but not if we allow the fanatical factions to have the only say .
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore goof luck changing religious fanatics
Frank Moore
Sloan Bashinsky can’t change them but can push them out to the fringes. Same with far left. Everything doesn’t have to be a win lose game
Sloan Bashinsky
Fank Moore It does with them, and you are not trying to beat them? This boosted post is being discussed in God!s Courtroom, where all participants, me included, are on trial.
Tom Borries
Anomalous-unusual happenings I agree. Thank you Donald Trump.
Sloan Bashinsky
Tom Borries thank the Democrats for running Hillary instead of VP Joe in 2016.
John Van Bogart
Frank Moore Law is set by congress and must comply with the Constitution. Interpretation of law is helped by precedent. In this case there are flaws in Roe V Wade that allowed this door to be opened. Even Justice Ginsburg had issues with Roe V Wade and she was far from a conservative. Also keep in mind that their decision does not necessarily illegalise abortion. At most It simply changes the rules a little. Stop the nonsense
Sloan Bashinsky
John Van Bogart 5 very conservative Christian Justices decided to overrule Roe. Religion had nothing to do with that, of course, nor with the religious right opposition to abortion. I keep trying to find even one antiabortionist, who tried to adopt a pregnant woman’ unwanted baby, to prevent the abortion- no luck so far. Of course, I shouldn’t read anything into that, either.
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore yes, there is nothing in the Constitution about privacy either, yet the SC ruled privacy is a constitutional right.
Frank Moore
Sloan Bashinsky and that is what Hamilton spoke about the problem with a Bill of Rights, that if they were not written down they would not exist . That people would begin to believe that the government allows the natural rights of man to exist. And here we are . 
Frank Moore
John Van Bogart you do realize that it was the Texas Supreme Court that affirmed the right in the first place ?
John Van Bogart
Frank Moore I don’t understand your point. And, I still don’t understand what perjury the justices commited.
Sloan Bashinsky
Frank Moore with 5 conservative Christian SC justices serving for life, the alt right have a great advantage. Unlike other federal fudges and all state judges, SC justices have no oversight. They do not have to recuse for conflict of interest. They are like gods and goddesses.
The Christian Right are cemented in there positions and trying hard to acquire more power and territory. They are like the crusaders in the so-called Holy Land. Jihadists, who missed Jesus’s message that the Holy Jihad is internal, not external. The Kingdom of God is within.
The Christian Right are convinced they are God’s militia, and that really pleases the Devil, literally.
The Democrats, the left, have many beams in their eyes, too, but they do not tend to thump Bibles, they do not claim they are God’s chosen people.
Frank Moore
John Van Bogart those people sat in front of congress and to the one said that Roe was set precedent knowing they believed it wasn’t, and under US title 18 section 1621 and 1001 that is perjury .
And if the SCOTUS does send it back to the states, Texas Courts has already ruled, so they will have to litigate it again and their heart beat law will become void because they used Casey as their precedent, which will be void as well .
John Van Bogart
Frank Moore so, you are saying that based on precedent, we can’t change our thoughts regardless if how sound that evidence is? Otherwise, we are perjuring ourselves. Good luck with that thought process in a court of law! For what you are saying to be true, we also have to believe any justice appointed by Obama and Biden have also perjured themselves. Again, even Justice Ginsburg had issues with Roe V Wade. Also, IF the decision comes down in favor of the state, they aren’t overturning Roe. They are cleaning up a flawed decision by handing the responsibility back to the states. Regardless, women still have the right to control their bodies as much as men do….. called equality.
I think you are buying into liberal propaganda. The next thing is you’ll buy into the lefts current fear mongering…,, ‘if scotus sides with the state, they’ll come after your kids/mixed marriages/whatever they think emotional nit wits will buy into’.
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John Van Bogart so, the 5 conservative Justices also should revoke the SC-created right to privacy, which is not in the Constitution, and let each state deal with that, too. The Religious right have clearly demonstrated they don't like LBGTQs. They send their LBGTQ kids to places to get them "fixed." They don't want the real African slave history taught in public schools. They say the left is "woke". I'm not part of the left, I'm not a Democrat, but I much prefer not being part of the "unawoke".
Frank Moore
John Van Bogart somehow I don’t think it would matter to you . But, listen to what Alito said about established precedent at his hearing and then read the leaked opinion . Then read US code title 18 section 1621 and 1001. But I’m sure it still will not matter to you that the precedent of privacy doctrine is about to be thrown out. This ruling could even overrule precedent as far back as 1923, even allowing states to overturn Griswold and Loving, but I’m sure many out there would be fine with that too.
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Frank Moore yep, this is a religious inquisition, all the rest is fake news
John Van Bogart
Frank Moore well there are options. Find the right candidates and support them or run yourself
Frank Moore
John Van Bogart no there are no options . As Franklin said we have been corrupted to far to save the Republic. It’s will fall to despotism because that what we want . Honestly I don’t care anymore. There is no saving it.
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John Van Bogart I fault the Dems for demanding late term abortions and for running Hillary in 2016. I ran 9 times for local office in the Florida Keys. I was the only candidate with fresh, helpful ideas. I learned the voters didn’t want that. The Dems got trumped good in 2016. Now the reds control SC, and their aim is to make America a religious state they run like mullahs run Iran.
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